Or as translated from Spanish
is an enormous amount of
information out there about the model numbers on the guns Llama made
I have done my best in identifying them to correct it. This research
project has been both a rewarding and frustrating experience.
the guns were in my collection to assist in this endeavor and I think I
have it all as it should be. The years the series of IIIA's were made
is still in question. I want to inform you before you go any
further that the designations of series and variation are my
designations and not those of Llama. I do it to show that there
were major changes made to the guns every few years and there were even
variations within those years.
2005 Llama closed its doors for the last time due to lack of sales and
a bankruptcy. This followed the demise of Astra and Star in about
1997. They simply failed to compete with all of the other gun
manufacturers out there, I think due to the bad reputation Spanish
guns acquired during the first World War and the restrictions place on them by the Spanish government. Llama also is
reported to have made bad guns during the 80's, but to this day I have
never found one. During the 80's they went to making the 9mm P a
blow back, I think to cut down on manufacturing costs and that did not
Because of the cheap prices Llama's might not have been finished as well
as the Colt, but with a bit of work , polishing parts, they work great
and I have some early ones that are fantastic.
y Uresti started producing
the Radium seven shot 6.35 in 1910. The patent of the "Radium" was
the name of Don Guillermo Echeverria and of Don Valentin
The patent was a weird form of loading the gun by sliding the right
and inserting the rounds into the butt directly. The one I
had Spanish proofs and that is not consistent with there not being a
house in Ebiar at that time. It also had the encircled EU
crown which I have never seen before. Production ceased in
very good but the best I can do at
started making a gun in 1914 based on
the Browning 1903 and the modifications of the design by earlier guns
the Astra Victoria 1911 and called it the Ruby. It was a well
gun with fair tolerances, so parts were interchangeable within its own
brand. It was the first to have a 9 round magazine because
had built it to be used by the Military or Police. At the
of WWI Gabilondo presented the gun to France for trials and it was
in 1915 with orders for 10,000 a month. My understanding is
at this time Gabilondo had 5 employees. Four months later
would be increased to 30,000 a month. This was far more than
could produce so he contracted with others to produce for him.
smaller companies contracted with Gabilondo
to produce 5000 pistols a month each and along with the 10,000 he could
produce, he was able to fulfill the 30,000 needed. The
4 companies, Armera Elgoibaressa y Cia, Echealasa y Vincinai y Cia,
, Hijos de Angel Echeverria y Cia, produced were not of
the Gabilondo quality but were accepted by the French
All of the guns supplied were blue, 9 shot with checkered wood grips
accompanied by three magazines along with a holster supplied by the
By the end of the war it is thought that Gabilondo alone produced from
250,000 to 300,000 pistols. Archivo Municipal de Eibar
that Iraola Salaverria y Cia only produced 10,000 guns total and Hijos
de Angel Echeverria y Cia produced 154,000.
Ruby in 7.65 - 9 shot with checkered
wood grips as made for the French in WWI.
There are two
variations of this gun, the other one having a different placement of
grips screws. Possibly more but the other one I have seen.
photo of internals
y Cia of Eibar, between the years
of 1916 and 1920 received patents for improvements to the Browning
patent No. 62,004 and No. 67,567. Beristain contracted with
to make the gun and production started in 1920. The Logo on the grips
BC not GB for Gregorio Bolumburu as some report it to
filed a law suit against Beristain for patent infringement but lost the
suit in 1925 . Spanish law more or less says if you do not make it in
the patent is no good, so Browning lost. Beristain cancelled
contract even though he won. This gun was made in 6.35mm,
and .380 acp.
also made the Bufalo design
in a gun he labeled as Manufactured by "Ruby" Arms
Co. I think
this was a product of 1927 as it has an A which is rather fancy with a
crown above it by the pv proof. On the right side is the
and there is an oval with AG in it on the trigger guard. The
with letters in them stood for the manufacturer at one time but they
on the left side tang. The right side of the slide also has
in Spain" on it so they were made for export to the US or other
countries. There is normally no grip safety on it as the grip
was a patent of Beristain but this one has it..
This gun does not have
the grip safety and has a serial number
lower than any Bufalo I have ever seen making me wonder if it was
a forerunner to the Bufalo instead of being made
At the time serial numbers were not controlled by the Spanish
so it could have been either way. This gun has no proof marks
a Ruby 7 shot 7.65 mm made in 1928
with a B date code. Very similar to the Astra Victoria from
Ultra Plus 22 shot. These
guns were used by Japanese pilots, Army and Navy and purchased through
their "union". The union was called Kaikosha for
the Army and
Suikosha for the Navy. I think this was like a PX for our
as it was on base. They came in semi and full auto. Reported
been a favorite of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade of the Republican Army.
Production ended about 1931
- 7.65mm - 9 shot. Produced
from 1925 until 1931. The gun came with and without a grip
In a later model it was also in .380acp.
While this gun is nothing more than an Ultra
Plus it is marked Danton
Very rare .45
Ruby. Late 1920 production
and was the basis for the later Llama.
Not really noticeable is the
that the grip is extra long to hold a mag capacity of 9. I
that this gun was also marked Llama but I have never seen proof of
To my knowledge the model IV was the first to have Llama on it.
My gun is only partially reassembled for photo and will be
1933 to 1935 Gabilondo made
two other groups of pistols called the Tauler and the Mugica that were
exported to the rest of the world. I also believe that one of
may have been used by the Spanish Secret Service but at this time I
Eibar gun dealer Jose Mugica
contracted with Gabilondo for guns using his own trade name Mugica as
did Tauler who was from Madrid.
Model- Manufacture 1933 date code F, blow back operated, cal
7.65 or .380, 7 round mag, barrel 3 ". This is a little known
model used by the Spanish Police in .380 if it had a model
number it is unknown by anyone. It was also made
under the name Tauler from 1933 to 1936. There is a hand
picture of the Tauler version in Gene Gangarosa's book on Spanish
Handguns on page 180. It resembles the Star model H. This
particular gun was not marked Model Police on the right side of the
slide. I have seen the Llama and Cal. in three different
positions on the slide and the Model Police is usually toward the
front. Serial number has been in two different places also.
This gun was made in 1933.
the Spanish Civil war all of the gun makers were within the Republican
(Basque) held territory, even Astra who was actually on the side of
the Nationalist or on the side with the Catholic Church actually. As a
result of this only Astra continued to make guns after that territory
was taken over by the Nationalists. After the war confiscated
arms were separated as to good or bad and the bad guns were destroyed.
At some point after this some guns in need of work were sent to
Astra to be refinished, later bought and sold by Interarms which was a
CIA cover company. We find a lot of Llamas from the 30's that
have their proof marks removed and I feel like this was done in the
refinishing. Starting in 1927 Spanish law required them to be there
when being made so they were there at least before the war
started. Astra, Star and Llama were the only companies allowed to
make guns after the war was over and Astra was rewarded by being
allowed to refinish them.
During WWII a company named Geco, Gustav
& Co, imported guns from Spain to be sold to Nazi party members and
marked their guns with the Geco logo which is a large G with the eco
inside it. Unless one of the Llamas has this mark or you have the bring
back papers you cannot tell for sure if it was used in Germany during
the war or not. Another
company did import them but they are not marked in any way.
Officers were to furnish their own guns so many Llamas were sold,
although I have only seen one large caliber gun with the Geco mark.
Most likely there are many out there but this type of gun was
never put in German records or marked with Nazi marks. Llama
records appear to be non existent on any of the guns they sold or they
are being held in seclusion. No one seems to know anything.
will add here that Spain never bought guns from Llama for
any government agency unless it was the Trauler model VI for the
Service, that I can find any record of, or the model 82. They were used in trials
but never passed the requirements and only Star and Astra were
Model I - 7.65mm. Production
started in 1933 and lasted thru 1954. This model was the
of the small frame Llamas and was also produced in the name Tauler and
Mugica. Blow back operated, 161 mm overall length ,
9 round magazine. This gun has no grip safety and has a W
spring under the left grip to provide a detent spring for the safety
Grips go all the way up to the slide.
This gun is Geco marked above the
trigger. Sometimes the mark
is on the left side below the slide release.
Booklet that came with this gun
Model II - .380mm Production started
in 1933 and lasted thru 1954.
Locked Breech as you can see in the photo below,
161mm overall length, 94mm
barrel and 8 round magazine. This gun had a change in the way the
was made to the same look as the later model I above had.
have been reports that this gun ceased production in 35 because of
faults, but it did not.
This is another variation of this gun made a
few years later with a different shaped beavertail and it is marked
with a logo on both the right and left sides of the slide that usually appear on the plastic grips with the thumb rest.
Made in 1948
the early Llama legend and then
changed to the one below.
Llama III .380
acp - Locked Breech, 166mm
overall length. Production lasted through 1954. This model
the plunger coil detent spring instead of the W spring. This
is shown with the wrong type magazine. It should have the
as a model II which fits up in the frame The model I, II, and
all have an angled grip on the butt which changed in 1954 to the
butt on the model IIIA. This gun has the detent spring in the round
tube above the left grip and the grip does not go all the way to the
slide as with the model I and II. The gun pictured is an "Especial" but it was also marked "Super Police".
Llama IIIA - 380 acp, Locked
breech,161 mm overal
three vents in the rib, 1955 into 1969. Grips of this type
on the Especial only and were made of Bakelite not the later plastic. I
have seen them in black and a herford red with black streaks.
This model also came with wood checkered grips or the normal cheap
grips. At this time I have never understood the meaning of"
in regards to these guns other than a name. The guns not marked
are exactly the same, so what was the purpose? It was a ploy used to
sell guns. During the Ruby years they made guns using
names on the same gun for that purpose. Hoping to entice someone to buy
it because of the different name.
Box and booklet that goes with this gun
This model was also made in Mexico at
“FABRICA DE ARMAS LLAMA”
– COLONIA INDUSTRIAL VALLEJO – MEXICO 15, D.F.” where they marked it
AUTOMATICA “LLAMA” ESPECIAL CAL
380 along with
HECHO EN MEXICO on the bottom of the hammer spring arch. This factory
a subsidiary of Gabilondo y Cia and manufactured the IIIA and XV until
1970. Llama translated to English means Flame which you will
as a logo in the grips above but in Mexico they used the animal as the
logo. My gun
had the flaming torch in the Bakelite grips but I have also seen wood
grips on one of the guns. There were also engraved guns with
grips. In 1970 Mexico made it illegal to own a gun and the ones
that were confiscated were sold by the Mexican government to dealers in
W. Virginia. Most Llamas I have seen were in really bad shape and
were refinished in the black oxide you see below.
from their catalog
Llama IIIA- Series 2 variation 1 .380
acp, locked breech, 165mm overall length with two vents in the rib. The
rear sight became adjustable with a screw for windage.
They had the straight serrations of the earlier series.
I do not have this gun at the time to show pics.
IIIA - series 2, variation 2
.380 acp, locked breech, 165mm overall length with two vents in the
Made from 70 to about 80. This gun is marked Especial but can be had
marked at all on the right side of the slide. This particular
has three finishes on it. The top of the slide has been
(rough)the sides of the slide and frame are polished and the remainder
of the frame has been bead blasted(satin). Other guns of this
were polished all over. Hard to tell in the photo but the
brown on this series. The serrations on the slide were changed on this
variation of the series.
Llama IIIA series 2, variation 3 .380
acp, locked breech, 165mm overall length with solid rib. Made
70 to about 78.
Llama IIIA series 3, .380acp, Looks like the gun above but is blow back operated, black grips and the logo is LLAMA Cal .380
Llama IIIA ,series 4, blow back
operated, 162mm overall length
with two vents in the rib. Made from 80 to approx 91.
IIIA, series 5, blow back
operated, 162mm overall length with no vents in the rib.
custom grips and they should be like the grips above except for the
slide release which was introduced on the series above. They
the first guns to be marked with their model number.
Max- This model was the
last of the small frame guns. Blow back operated.
1996 to 2005. The removal of the rib and the addition of the round
beaver tail and front sight were the three changes made to the IIIA to
it a Micro. The gun below was made in 2004 as can be noted by
last two digits of what you think is the serial number. Only
five numbers in the middle are the serial.
This Micro Max was made in 1997 and was produced
using one of the slides from the previous series and not putting the
curve at the front. I have never seen another like it but that is not
say there are no more. It has a 4xxx serial number.
numbers seem to have changed from their old numbering system to a new
The numbers at the end being the date made
Air Force Contract Llama .380 Micro
Max. It was my understanding that these guns were made in
but this one was made in 2001 and is chrome plated. I am
that Llama had a slide or more that were over runs and they simply used
them on later guns, but have no way of knowing for sure. I have now
a second one made in 2001.
Air force wings
model IV - 9mm largo - 38 acp.
With N date code manufactured in 1942. Production of this gun
in 1932 and was an exact copy of the Colt 1911 except it has no grip
and has a barrel 5 1/2" long, with a 228mm overall length. This was the
first of the Llama pistols made and for some reason was later given the
designation of model IV. These were not produced for the American
and are not readily found in the USA. I have only seen two of
in the last 6 years
The gun looks the
same as a Model VII Llama Extra except for the lack of the
grip safety and the right grip has the extra little curve at the back
This mark will be found just before the serial
number on the older
and is simply the GC for Gabilondo Y Cia. and is a continuation of the
practice of applying a manufacturers mark, first used on the Rubys
frame and magazines. If you look at the Ruby, at the
you will see
the mark GU for Gabilondo y Uresti which was the name of the company at
the time. Some think it stands for Guardia Civil but that is
incorrect. Llama never produced weapons for the Guardia Civil
any number as they were not accepted in trials. If it was
actually Guardia Civil the proof of the flaming bomb would have an I in
it instead of a P. I is for military and the P is commercial
sale. The G and C would also be intertwined and have a crown
it without the oval.
Llama Model V -
9mm Largo/38 Super, 5 1/8
inch barrel, has no grip safety. This was manufactured for
to the USA market only. I have seen many of these on the auctions
as almost ever model they made and for a time I had it labeled as a
IV but found out I was incorrect. Sorry if I have caused
confusion. This is one of three large caliber
models made with the W detent spring.
This gun is also a
model V made in 9mm P. This gun was made in 1945.
W detent spring on Model V which
is also on the model I, II and one variation of XI.
This is the label on the box for this
gun. I always figured
the 38 stood for acp rounds like it does on Stars, but this changed my
mind. This gun was made for the American market is
the reason it was marked for the 38 Super.
This type of
grip was used on the model V at one time.
VI was made in .380 acp only
with a grip safety and I do not have a pic of it.
The gun had
the locked breech design of the Colt 1911, overall length of 150mm,
barrel and a 6 round magazine. They will usually be found
marking Super Police on the right of the slide but are also not
Not sure any of these guns made it to the USA other than bring backs.
found this pic in my files and I have no idea where it came from.
If it has a copyright let me know and I will remove it.
a Tauler model VI and is exactly what the Llama model VI looks like.
VII is chambered in 9mm Largo
and marked 9mm /38. Known as a Modelo Extra. The
to the extra 1/2 inch length of the barrel as it did in the Ruby
Extra. I have records of this gun being made as
and as late as 1944. Barrel length is 5 1/2" This
gun has an internal extractor like the Colt.
This gun was also made in 9mm P which I have seen photos of.
Llama model VII
Police - 5 1/16" barrel -9mm Largo and 38 acp. This gun
appears to be
one made the first year they made them, 1932,
according to the serial number.
I do not know if it was exported to the US before or after
Civil War. Proofs and made in Spain have been wiped in a
refinish, along with most of the GC in an oval on the right side of the
gun. Pistols collected after the Spanish Civil War were either
scrapped or refinished and I suspect the date codes and proofs were
ground off. These guns were sold to Interarms in the 60's on an
arms deal. This was prior to the 68 GCA so no import marks were
required along with the fact that Interarms was a CIA operation.
This gun can be found with Especial on the right side of
the slide as well as one with no marking on the right.
VIII is chambered for the .38
Super. Early versions of this gun were marked as
and Police on the right side with 9mm Bergman 38 Super on the
front of the slide. The gun looks identical to the model VII
every respect except the caliber markings. The gun shown
has the early slide markings on the left side and was made just before
my M&P model VII which has the later slide markings.
actuality there is no difference in the model VII M&P and the
M&P except for the markings. As with my model VII
was made in 1932.
Caliber is marked on
of the slide where is says Llama and can be seen in the larger photo
Three vent rib 2nd series
This gun has the 38 super on the right side of the
slide above the trigger and 9mm/38 on the left side of the slide
Pics courtesy of Allen Jensen
VIII C/F solid rib 5th
The IX was again
an exact look alike to the
model VII but had a barrel for the 45 cal round.
I have only seen one actual IX .45 for sale anywhere and I do not own one to show a
sided slide two vent rib third
IXA was produced as a replacement for
the IX .45cal - large base mag. Three vent first
in 1955 and being made thru 1970. This gun was also made
with a raised area where the rib is that has lines to deflect glare. It is the height of the raised portion on the XA below. I would not exactly call it a rib because it doesnt appear to be for that purpose.
Model E-IXA two vent rib second series
which started in 1970. The E is for engraved . I
deep relief engraving was discontinued at this time because it does not
show up in my catalog.
pages for the second series two vent
Pic to follow
IX B - .45 Cal.
This gun is a Colt Commander size gun with a 4 1/4"
This gun is, satin Chrome and not stainless as most people think they
Custom 4S Brand grips as normally they would have a funky plastic grip
that falls apart in the screw holes. The mags are
with Colt mags. The C is again for Chrome IXB.
C - .45 Cal. This is a
full size gun with a double stack magazine.
D - .45 Cal. This is a Commander
size with a double stack magazine.
Llama X - 7.65 blow back, 166mm overall
length, no rib on the slide,
grip safety, 8 shot magazine, Manufactured thru 1950.
with grips that I think were never used on US imports
Llama XA 7.65 blow back,
manufactured in 1951 thru 54 in
configuration with the angled corner on the back of the frame and the
magazine up inside the frame. The gun shown is a 1952.
noticed one gun with Z code marking that used a frame with the rounded
butt and a slide that had straight lines cut in it on top from front to
back which differs from the normal. Also used the later style
magazine. I have now seen a 1954 with no rib, the rounded
frame and large base magazine so it appears that in 1954 they started
making the changes.
In 1954 the XA changed to have the rounded
back on the frame and
grips as well as a magazine that was large base. Both the
rib and the vent rib were used
Legends on the 80 and later XA models
Llama model -XI 9mm P.
Reintroduced in 1970. The first design had the W
detent and possibly came with only lined wood grips as that is
only way I have seen them. Unlike the other Llama large frame
guns this one is thinner at 3/4" in thickness and is actually
comparable to the Star A or B in size.
Early version 1933-1955
A - 9mm P - full size gun with 5"
barrel . This gun, manufactured in 1980, is blow back
I suppose in an effort to reduce costs they decided not to
the locked breech system found on earlier guns. At the same
they went to the blow back design for the IIIA also.
B - 9mm P _ Commander size with 4.340"
XII B -
XV- .22 cal built on the same frame as the IIIA
XVII- .22 cal called the Executive. Blow back
shot mag, 2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz.
black or pearl grips in chrome or blue.
XVIII - .25 cal called the Executive. Blow back operated, 5
mag, 2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz.
with black or pearl grips in chrome or blue according to the catalog but this one has white grips.
In 1992 Gabilondo y cia went bankrupt and was purchase by the workers forming Fabrinor. During the period of 1992 to 2005 they
struggled with a lack of sales causing them to have to take the
company public in 2002 to keep the doors open. Finally closing their doors in
2005 because the stock holders did not want to put in more money.
this period they made a Max I LF with the old 1980's frame and a slide
of the Max type and called it the El
Militar. Its odd but I suspect they used an in stock frame
slide that were sitting on shelves in an effort to save a few dollars.
The frame is numbered in the normal manner for a gun made in 98 and you
can see where the old serial number and proof marks were removed.
The frame was fitted with all of the Max I components. This is in 38
Super and is the only one I have seen. The front and rear sight
are custom Novak and not original to the gun.
L/F - Deluxe .45 cal. with a 5.25
inch barrel - Custom 4S grips. Normally they have soft
rubber grips that do not last. The LF which stands for long frame came
in a variety of finishes, but never Stainless Steel as may be claimed.
They came with and without the serrations at the front of the
slide. Colt 45 mags work and this one was equipped with a Meggar
I L/F Comp 10 - .45 cal made for competition with compensator and
adjustable rear sights. Wide frame / double stack magazine.
C/F - .45 cal compact
frame 4 .340" barrel, parkerized, blue or tutone satin chrome
and blue slide
L/F large frame large capacity,
parkerized, blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide
C/F compact frame large capacity,
parkerized ,blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide
- 9mm, .40 cal, .45 cal. Officers
size with a 7 shot capacity.
barrel. Introduced in 1996.
Custom 4S Grips and trigger and a full smoothing of the interior. It
is a wonderful gun that is totally reliable and very accurate.
Mini Max II
- Large capacity double
sub compact - .45 caliber 10
shot double stack magazine
cal and 9mm double single action.
Large uncomfortable grip for a small hand because of double stack 13
mag in 9mm. This was the most original and sophisticated
designed, incorporating such unique features as ball bearings for the
pivot, separate draw bars for the single and double action sears, a
undercut trigger guard to allow high hand positioning for recoil
a 13-round double stack magazine that tapered to a single column at the
top and "buttressed" rifling, which used a 2-stage
the lands to the grooves, for less bullet deformation and a better gas
seal Most of these features have never been found all
any other single design, and provide this pistol with an extremely
and reliable action. The Omni was not a success, primarily because the
sophistication of the piece led to production costs, and a retail
that far exceeded many of its more conventional rivals. The
price of the Omni 9mm in the 1983 Gun Digest was $599.99, at a time
the S&W Model 59 listed for only $371.50.
82. This pistol was developed by
Llama in 1986 and was adopted by the Spanish military in
is a recoil operated, locked breech semi automatic pistol. It
a short recoiling barrel with tilting block, barrel-to-slide locking,
like the Walther P38 or Beretta 92. The Llama M82 is hammer
double action pistol. Safety is mounted on the slide and when
it moves the firing pin out of the reach of the hammer and locks it,
decocks the hammer and also disconnects the trigger bar. The safety
not affect the slide, so it can be cycled and the cartridge chambered
the safety on, but the hammer will not stay in the cocked
After that, when the safety is disengaged , the gun will be ready to
the first shot in Double Action. All further shots will be
in single action mode. If so desired, you can also
cock the hammer for the first shot, to improve accuracy. The frame and
slide of the M82 are made from steel, so the gun is relatively heavy,
strong. The trigger guard is shaped for a better two-hand hold, and the
sights are fixed. The double stack magazine holds 15 rounds plus one in
model 87 Competition 9mm. This
gun is much the same as the model 82 but was built under contract by
for Llama. It is not a Beretta 92 but a Llama design.
This is a Proof House marking which may look a
bit different on later guns.
This is the proof for a Pistol and on a
revolver it will be an R. On some guns this may be an I which
is for military. On some guns this proof may appear on the
left rear of the slide, on the left of the frame or on the barrel in
ejection port. This proof looks like a flaming bomb because
it is the firing proof of the gun.
The date proof will be a letter or possibly a
letter and a number with an * above it. In this case the O,
Exploded view of the IIIA, VIII, .IXA, XIA
Date Codes on
I have other diagrams of some of the
guns I cannot use on
the site because of copyright infringement. These are
produced years ago. E-mail me if you would like to talk about it.
I have found a gun labeled as a Model I-A on
the box, but I can assure
you there is no such model and the box is a mis-print. Why this ever
out of the factory is a mystery to everyone.
Data base of serial numbers
If you would like to
contribute your model number, serial number and date code to this data
base let me know.
am almost always in the market for these guns so if you have something
you want to get rid of let me know. Looking mostly for the
IV, VII, VI, Mexican IIIA and the Ruby 45 even as a parts gun but will
consider anything. I am especially interested in the model IX .45
cal and VII 9mm P. Both are early guns produced before 1955