Spanish Blue Steel

 Llama
Or as translated from spanish
Flame

There is an enormous amount of incorrect information out there about the model numbers on the guns Llama made and I have done my best in identifying them to correct it. This research project has been both a rewarding and frustrating experience.  A large number of the guns were in my collection to assist in this endeavor and I think I now have it all as it should be. The years the series of IIIA's were made however is still in question.  

In 2005 Llama closed its doors for the last time due to lack of sales and a bankruptcy.  This followed the demise of Astra and Star in about 1997.  They simply failed to compete with all of the other gun manufacturers out there, I think due to the bad reputation Spanish guns acquirred during the first World War.  Llama also is reported to have made bad guns during the 80's, but to this day I have never found one.  During the 80's they went to making the 9mm P a blowback, I think to cut down on manufacturing costs and that did not help either. Furthermore the model 82 was not liked by the Spanish Army,  because it was notorious for jamming and I think replaced.  Because of the cheap prices Llamas might not have been finished as well as the Colt, but with a bit of work , polishing parts, they work great and I have some early ones that are fantastic.  
Gabilondo y Uresti had been producing the Radium seven shot 6.35 since 1910. The patent of the "Radium" was in the name of Don Guillermo Echeverria and of Don Valentin Vallejo.  The patent was a weird form of loading the gun by sliding the right grip and inserting the rounds into the butt directly.  The one I have seen had Spanish proofs and that is not consistant with there not being a proof house in Ebiar at that time.  It also had the encircled EU with a crown which I have never seen before.  Production ceased in 1915.

Pic isnt very good but the best I can do at the time




They started making a gun in 1914 based on the Browning 1903 and the modifications of the design by earlier guns like the Astra Victoria 1911 and called it the Ruby.  It was a well made gun with fair tolerances, so parts were interchangeable within its own brand.  It was the first to have a 9 round magazine because Gabilondo had built it to be used by the Military or Police.  At the beginning of WWI Gabilondo presented the gun to France for trials and it was accepted in 1915 with orders for 10,000 a month.  My understanding is that at this time Gabilondo had 5 employees.  Four months later orders would be increased to 30,000 a month.  This was far more than Gabilando could produce so he contracted with others to produce for him.

Four smaller companies contracted with Gabilondo to produce 5000 pistols a month each and along with the 10,000 he could produce, he was able to fulfill the 30,000 needed.  The pistols these 4 companies, Armera Elgoibaressa y Cia, Echealasa y Vincinai y Cia,  , Hijos de Angel Echeverria y Cia, produced were not of the Gabilondo quality but were accepted by the French government.  All of the guns supplied were blue, 9 shot with checkered wood grips and accompanied by three magazines along with a holster supplied by the French.  By the end of the war it is thought that Gabilondo alone produced from 250,000 to 300,000 pistols.  Archivo Municipal de Eibar records show that Iraola Salaverria y Cia only produced 10,000 guns total and Hijos de Angel Echeverria y Cia produced 154,000.
 

The 1914 Ruby in 7.65 - 9 shot  with checkered wood grips as made for  the French in WWI.   There are two variations of this gun, the other one having a different placement of the grips screws.  Possibly more but the other one I have seen.



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Beristain y Cia of Eibar, between the years of 1916 and 1920 received patents for improvements to the Browning 1910, patent No. 62,004 and No. 67,567.  Beristain contracted with Gobilondo to make the gun and production started in 1920. The Logo on the grips is BC not GB for Gregorio Bolumburu  as some report it to be.  Browning filed a law suit against Beristain for patent infringement but lost the suit in 1925 . Spanish law more or less says if you do not make it in Spain the patent is no good, so Browning lost.  Beristain cancelled the contract even though he won.  This gun was made in 6.35mm, 7.65mm and .380 acp.

7.65 Bufalo

6.35 

Gabilondo also made the Bufalo design in a gun he labeled as Manufactured by "Ruby" Arms Co.   I think this was a product of 1927 as it has an A which is rather fancy with a crown above it by the pv proof.  On the right side is the serial number and there is an oval with AG in it on the trigger guard.  The ovals with letters in them stood for the manufacturer at one time but they were on the left side tang.  The right side of the slide also has "made in Spain" on it so they were made for export to the US or other European countries.  There is normally no grip safety on it as the grip safety was a patent of Beristain but this one has it..

This gun does not have the grip safety and has a serial number lower than any Bufalo I have ever seen making me wonder if it was actually a  forerunner to the Bufalo instead of being made afterward.  At the time serial numbers were not controlled by the Spanish government so it could have been either way.  This gun has no proof marks whatsoever.




This is a Ruby 7 shot 7.65 mm made in 1928 with a B date code.  Very similar to the Astra Victoria from earlier years

Ruby Ultra Plus 22 shot.  These guns were used by Japanese pilots, Army and Navy and purchased through their "union".  The union was called Kaikosha  for the Army and  Suikosha for the Navy.  I think this was like a PX for our military as it was on base. They came in semi and full auto.  Reported to have been a favorite of the Abraham Lincoln Brigade of the Republican Army. Production ended about 1931

 

Danton - 7.65mm - 9 shot.  Produced from 1925 until 1931.  The gun came with and without a grip safety.  In a later model it was also in .380acp.


 

While this gun is nothing more than an Ultra Plus it is marked Danton War Model

 
Very rare .45 Ruby.  Late 1920 production and was the basis for the later 
Llama.  Not really noticable is the fact that the grip is extra long to hold a mag capacity of 9.  I have read that this gun was also marked Llama but I have never seen proof of that.  To my knowledge the model IV was the first to have Llama on it.  My gun is only partially reassembled for photo and will be restored.




 In 1933 to 1935 Gabilondo made two other groups of pistols called the Tauler and the Mugica that were exported to the rest of the world.  I also believe that one of them may have been used by the Spanish Secret Service but at this time I cannot confirm.   Eibar gun dealer Jose Mugica contracted with Gabilondo for guns using his own trade name Mugica as did  Tauler who was from Madrid.

There was a dealer in Germany known as GECO and they bought many of the model I&II during the war for German officers to purchase so if you find one marked GECO during that period, it is one most likely used by some NAZI whether Police, Military, or other position in Hitlers forces.

Llama Police Model-  Manufacture 1933, blowback operated, cal 7.65 or .380,  7 round mag, barrel 3 ". This is a little known model used by the Spanish Police in .380 if it had a model number it is unknown by anyone.  It was also made under the name Tauler from 1933 to 1936.  There is a hand drawn picture of the Tauler version in Gene Gangarosa's book on Spanish Handguns on page 180.  I have pics but they are copyrighted and I cannot show them here.  It resembles the Star model H.

Llama Model I - 7.65mm.  Production started in 1933 and lasted thru 1954.  This model was the first production of the small frame Llamas and was also produced in the name Tauler and Mugica.   Blow back operated, 161 mm overall length , 94mm barrel, 9 round magazine.  This gun has no grip safety and has a W shaped spring under the left grip to provide a detent spring for the safety and slide release.
 
 

This gun is Geco marked above the trigger.  Sometimes the mark is on the left side below the slide release.

Booklet that came with this gun




Llama Model II - .380mm  Production started in 1933 and lasted thru 1954. Locked Breech, 161mm overall length, 94mm barrel and 8 round magazine. This gun had a change in the way the safety was made to the same look as the later model I above had.  There have been reports that this gun ceased production in 35 because of faults but it did not.




This is the early Llama legend  and then changed to the one below.

 
Llama III .380 acp - Locked Breech, 166mm overall length.  Production lasted through 1954. This model introduced the plunger coil detent spring instead of the W spring.  This gun is shown with the wrong type magazine.  It should have the same mag as a model II which fits up in the frame  The model I, II, and III all have an angled grip on the butt which changed in 1954 to the rounded butt on the model IIIA.
 

Llama IIIA - 380 acp, Locked breech,161 mm overal length,  three vents in the rib, 1955 into 1969.  Grips of this type were used on the Especial only and were made of bakelite not the later plastic. I have seen them in black and a herford red with black streaks.  This model also came with wood checkered grips or the normal cheap plastic grips.  At this time I have never understood the meaning of" Especial" in regards to these guns other than a name. The guns not marked "Especial" are exactly the same, so what was the purpose? It was a ploy used to sell guns.  During the Ruby years they made guns using different names on the same gun for that purpose. Hoping to entice someone to buy it because of the different name.

Box and booklet that goes with this gun

 
  This model was also made in Mexico at “FABRICA DE ARMAS LLAMA” – COLONIA INDUSTRIAL VALLEJO – MEXICO 15, D.F.” where they marked it PISTOLA AUTOMATICA  “LLAMA”  ESPECIAL   CAL 380 along with HECHO EN MEXICO on the bottom of the hammer spring arch. This factory was a subsidiary of Gabilondo y Cia and manufactured the IIIA and XV until 1970.  Llama translated to English means Flame which you will notice as a logo in the grips above but in Mexico they used the animal as the logo.   My gun had the flaming torch in the bakelite grips but I have also seen wood checkered grips on one of the guns.  There were also engraved guns with pearl grips.


Pic by  L Johnson

Pic is from their catalog

Llama IIIA- Series 2 variation 1  .380 acp, locked breech, 165mm overall length with two vents in the rib. The rear sight became adjustable with a screw for windage.  They had the straight serrations of the earlier series.  I do not have this gun at the time to show pics.

Llama IIIA - series 2, variation 2 .380 acp, locked breech, 165mm overall length with two vents in the rib.  Made from 70 to about 80. This gun is marked Especial but can be had not marked at all on the right side of the slide.  This particular gun has three finishes on it.  The top of the slide has been sandblasted (rough)the sides of the slide and frame are polished and the remainder of the frame has been bead blasted(satin).  Other guns of this series were polished all over.  Hard to tell in the photo but the grips are brown on this series. The serrations on the slide were changed on this variation of the series.

Llama IIIA series 2, variation 3 .380 acp, locked breech, 165mm overall length with solid rib.  Made from 70 to about 78.

Llama IIIA series 3,  .380acp,  Looks like the gun above but is
blowback operated,  black grips and the logo is LLAMA Cal .380
Llama IIIA ,series 4,  blowback operated, 162mm overal length with two vents in the rib.  Made from 80 to aprox 91.

Llama  IIIA, series 5, blowback operated, 162mm overall length with no vents in the rib.  These are custom grips and they should be like the grips above except for the longer slide release which was introduced on the series above.  They are the first guns to be marked with their model number. 


Micro Max-  This model was the last of the small frame guns.  Blowback operated.  Made from 1996 to 2005. The removal of the rib and the addition of the round hammer, beavertail and front sight were the three changes made to the IIIA to make it a Micro.  The gun below was made in 2004 as can be noted by the last two digits of what you think is the serial number.  Only the five numbers in the middle are the serial.  

This Micro Max was made in 1997 and was  produced using one of the slides from the previous series and not putting the compound curve at the front. I have never seen another like it but that is not to say there are no more.  It has a 4xxx serial number.  Serial numbers seem to have changed from their old numbering system to a new one.  The numbers at the end being the date made

Ecuadorian Air Force Contract Llama .380 Micro Max.  It was my understanding that these guns were made in 1997 only, but this one was made in 2001 and is chrome plated.  I am thinking that Llama had a slide or more that were over runs and they simply used them on later guns, but have no way of knowing for sure. I have now seen a second one made in 2001.

Ecuador Airforce wings




Llama model IV - 9mm largo - 38 acp.  With N date code manufactured in 1942.  Production of this gun started in 1932 and was an exact copy of the Colt 1911 except it has no grip safety and has a barrel 5 1/2" long, with a 228mm overall length. This was the first of the Llama pistols made and for some reason was later given the designation of model IV. These were not produced for the American market and are not readily found in the USA.  I have only seen two of them in the last 6 years
 
 

The gun looks the same as a Llama Extra except for the lack of the grip safety and the right grip has the extra little curve at the back top 

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This mark will be found just before the serial number on the older guns and is simply the GC for Gabilondo Y Cia. and is a continuation of the practice of applying a manufacturers mark, first used on the Rubys frame and magazines.  If you look at the Ruby, at the beginning, you will see the mark GU for Gabilondo y Uresti which was the name of the company at the time.  Some think it stands for Guardia Civil but that is incorrect.  Llama never produced weapons for the Guardia Civil in any number as they were not accepted in trials.  If it was actually Guardia Civil the proof of the flaming bomb would have an I in it instead of a P.  I is for military and the P is commercial sale.  The G and C would also be intertwined and have a crown above it without the oval.
Llama Model V - 9mm Largo/38 Super,  5 1/8 inch barrel, has no grip safety.  This was manufactured for export to the USA market only. I have seen many of these on the auctions mis-labled as almost ever model they made and for a time I had it labeled as a model IV but found out I was incorrect.  Sorry if I have caused confusion. This is one of three large caliber models  made with the W detent spring.  Internal extractor.

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This gun is also a model V made in 9mm P.  It came to my attention today through photos that the 9mm P caliber was used in the model V and the model  VII.  This had been a question in my mind, but it became very clear with the photos.  This gun was made in 1945.  There were not many made in 9mm P according to Ezell in his book Handguns of the World, but then he made a lot of mistakes about the models so he could be mistaken about this also.



Unusual W detent spring on Model  V which is also on the model I, II and one variation of XI. 

This is the label on the box for this gun.  I always figured the 38 stood for acp rounds like it does on Stars, but this changed my mind.  This gun was made for the American  market is the reason it was marked for the 38 Super.

This type of grip was used on the model V at one time.  

Model VI was made in .380 acp only with a grip safety and I do not have a pic of it.   The gun had the locked breech design of the Colt 1911, overall length of 150mm, 80mm barrel and a 6 round magazine.  They will usually be found with the marking Super Police on the right of the slide but are also not marked.  Not sure any of these guns made it to the USA other than bring backs.   I found this pic in my files and I have no idea where it came from.  If it is copywrited let me know and I will remove it.  It is a Tauler model VI and is exactly what the Llama model VI looks like.

 

Model VII is chambered in 9mm  Largo and marked 9mm /38.  Known as a Modelo Extra.  The Extra refers to the extra 1/2 inch length of the barrel as it did in the Ruby Extra.  I have records of this gun being made as early as 1932 and as late as 1944.  Barrel length is 5 1/2"  This gun has an internal extractor like the Colt.
This gun was also made in 9mm P which I have seen photos of.

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Llama model VII  Military and Police - 5 1/16" barrel -9mm Largo and 38 acp.  This gun appears to be one made the first year they made them, 1932, according to the serial number.   I do not know if it was exported to the US before or after the Civil War.  Proofs and made in Spain have been wiped in a refinish, along with most of the GC in an oval on the right side of the gun.  This gun can be found with Especial on the right side of the slide as well as one with no marking on the right.

This gun was also made in 9mm P according to photos I found in a book by Edward C. Ezell.  While he identifies several guns as the wrong model they do prove they were made in 9mm P




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Model VIII is chambered for the  .38 Super.   Early versions of this gun were marked as Military and Police on the right side with 9mm Bergman 38 Super on the front of the slide.  The gun looks identical to the model VII in every respect except the caliber markings.  The gun shown below has the early slide markings on the left side and was made just before my M&P model VII which has the later slide markings.  In actuality there is no difference in the model VII M&P and the VIII M&P except for the markings.   As with my model VII this gun was made in 1932.


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Caliber is marked on the front of the slide where is says Llama and can be seen in the larger photo

Three vent rib 2nd series 

This gun has the 38 super on the right side of the slide above the trigger and 9mm/38 on the left side of the slide

Pics courtesy of  Allen Jensen

 VIII C/F  solid rib 5th series

Llama IX  The IX was again an exact look alike to the model VII but had a barrel for the 45 cal round.  I have never seen an actual IX .45 for sale anywhere so I do not own one to show a pic.   
 

Llama IXA was produced as a replacement for the IX .45cal - large base mag.  Three vent  first series starting in 1955 and being made thru 1970.  This gun was also made with a raised area where the rib is that has lines to deflect glare.  It is the height of the raised portion on the XA below.  I would not exactly call it a rib because it doesnt appear to be for that purpose. 

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Model E-IXA two vent rib second series which started in 1970.  The E is for engraved .  I think the deep relief engraving was discontinued at this time because it does not show up in my catalog.

Catalog pages for the second series two vent

Slab sided slide two vent rib  third series

Small base mag

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Llama IX B  - .45 Cal.  This gun is a Colt Commander size gun with a 4 1/4" barrel.   This gun is, satin Chrome and not stainless as most people think they are.  Custom 4S Brand grips as normally they would have a funky plastic grip that falls apart in the screw holes.  The mags are interchangeable with Colt mags. The C is again for Chrome IXB.   Model C-IXB 



Llama IX C - .45 Cal.   This is a full size gun with a double stack magazine.

Llama IX D - .45 Cal.  This is a Commander size with a double stack magazine.

Llama X - 7.65 blow back, 166mm overall length, no rib on the slide, grip safety, 8 shot magazine, Manufactured thru 1950.

Shown with grips that I think were never used on US imports

Llama XA  7.65 blow back, manufactured in 1951 thru 54 in this configueration with the angled corner on the back of the frame and the magazine up inside the frame.  The gun shown is a 1952.   I noticed one gun with Z code marking that used a frame with the rounded butt and a slide that had straight lines cut in it on top from front to back which differs from the normal.  Also used the later style magazine.  I have now seen a 1954 with no rib, the rounded butt frame and large base magazine so it appears that in 1954 they started making the changes.

In 1954 the XA changed to have the rounded back on the frame and grips as well as a magazine that was large base.  Both the solid rib and the vent rib were used


 
 

 

Legends on the 80 and later XA models




Llama model -XI 9mm P.  Reintroduced in 1971.   The first design had the W spring  detent and possibly came with only lined wood grips as that is the only way I have seen them.  Unlike the other Llama large frame guns this one is thinner at 3/4" in thickness and is actually comperable to the Star A or B in size.  

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Early version



Llama XI A - 9mm P - full size gun with 5" barrel .  This gun, manufactured in 1980, is blowback operated.  I suppose in an effort to reduce costs they decided not to use the locked breech system found on earlier guns.  At the same time they went back to the blowback design for the IIIA also.

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Llama XI B - 9mm P _ Commander size with 4.340" barrel

XII B - .40 caliber

Llama XV- .22 cal  built on the same frame as the IIIA

Llama XVII- .22 cal called the Executive.   Blow back operated, 5 shot mag, 2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz.  Offered with black or pearl grips in chrome or blue.  

Llama XVIII - .25 cal called the Executive.   Blow back operated, 5 shot mag, 2 3/8" barrel, 4 3/4" overall length, 13 3/4oz.  Offered with black or pearl grips in chrome or blue.  

In 1992 Gabilondo y cia went bankrupt and was purchase by the workers forming Fabrinor.  During the period of 1992 to 2005 they struggled with a lack of sales causing them to have to take the company public in 2002 to keep the doors open. Finally closing their doors in 2005 because the stock holders did not want to put in more money.

During this period they made a Max I LF with the old 1980's frame and a slide of the Max type and called it the El Militar.  Its odd but I suspect they used an in stock frame and slide that were sitting on shelves in an effort to save a few dollars. The frame is numbered in the normal manner for a gun made in 98 and you can see where the old serial number and proof marks were removed.  The frame was fitted with all of the Max I components. This is in 38 Super and is the only one I have seen.  The front and rear sight are custom Novak.

Max I L/F - Deluxe  .45 cal. with a 5.25 inch barrel - Custom 4S grips. Normally they have soft checkered rubber grips that do not last. The LF which stands for long frame came in a variety of finishes, but never Stainless Steel as may be claimed.  They came with and without the serations at the front of the slide. Colt 45 mags work and this one was equipped with a Meggar


Max I C/F  - .45 cal  compact frame  4 .340" barrel, parkerized, blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide




Max II L/F   large frame large capacity, parkerized, blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide

MaxII C/F  compact frame large capacity, parkerized ,blue or tutone satin chrome frame and blue slide
 
 

Mini Max - 9mm, .40 cal, .45 cal.  Officers size  with a 7 shot capacity. 
3.50" barrel.  Introduced in 1996.  Custom 4S Grips and trigger and a full smoothing of the interior. It is a wonderful gun that is totaly reliable and very accurate.


Mini Max II -  Large capacity double stack magazine

Mini Max sub compact -  .45 caliber 10 shot double stack magazine

Omni .45 cal and 9mm double single action.  Large uncomfortable grip for a small hand because of double stack 13 round mag in 9mm.  This was the most original and sophisticated Llama ever designed, incorporating such unique features as ball bearings for the hammer pivot, separate drawbars for the single and double action sears, a deeply undercut trigger guard to allow high hand positioning for recoil control, a 13-round double stack magazine that tapered to a single column at the top  and "buttressed" rifling, which used a 2-stage "step-down" from the lands to the grooves, for less bullet deformation and a better gas seal  Most of these features have never been found all together in any other single design, and provide this pistol with an extremely smooth and reliable action. The Omni was not a success, primarily because the sophistication of the piece led to production costs, and a retail price, that far exceeded many of its more conventional rivals.  The list price of the Omni 9mm in the 1983 Gun Digest was $599.99, at a time when the S&W Model 59 listed for only $371.50.




Model 82.  This pistol was developed by Llama in 1986 and was adopted by the Spanish military in 1988.  It is a recoil operated, locked breech semi automatic pistol.  It uses a short recoiling barrel with tilting block, barrel-to-slide locking, much like the Walther P38 or Beretta 92.  The Llama M82 is hammer fired, double action pistol.  Safety is mounted on the slide and when activated, it moves the firing pin out of the reach of the hammer and locks it, then decocks the hammer and also disconnects the trigger bar. The safety does not affect the slide, so it can be cycled and the cartridge chambered with the safety on, but the hammer will not stay in the cocked position.  After that, when the safety is disengaged , the gun will be ready to fire the first shot in Double Action.  All further shots will be fired in single action mode.  If so desired, you can also  manually cock the hammer for the first shot, to improve accuracy. The frame and slide of the M82 is made from steel, so the gun is relatively heavy, but strong. The trigger guard is shaped for a better two-hand hold, and the sights are fixed. The double stack magazine holds 15 rounds plus one in the chamber.
I also want to note that this gun was a nightmare to the Spanish Military that used it and it was discontinued.

Llama model 87 Competition 9mm.  This gun is much the same as the model 82 but was built under contract by Beretta for Llama.  It is not a Beretta 92 but a Llama design.


 

This is a Proof House marking which may look a bit different on later guns.

This is the proof for a Pistol and on a revolver it will be an R.  On some guns this may be an I which is for military.  On some guns this proof may appear on the left rear of the slide, on the left of the frame or on the barrel in the ejection port.  This proof looks like a flaming bomb because it is the firing proof of the gun.

The date proof will be a letter or possibly a letter and a number with an * above it.   In this case the O, 1944.

Exploded view of the IIIA, VIII, .IXA, XIA

 
 

Date Codes on Llama Pistols

Code Year Code  Year Code Year
A 1927 A1 1955 A2 1981
B 1928 B1 1956 B2 1982
C 1929 C1 1957 C2 1983
CH 1930 D1 1958 D2 1984
D 1931 E1 1959 E2 1985
E 1932 F1 1960 F2 1986
F 1933 G1 1961 G2 1987
G 1934 H1 1962 H2 1988
1935 I1 1963 I2 1989
I 1936 J1 1964 J2 1990
J 1937 K1 1965 K2 1991
K 1938 L1 1966 L2 1992
L 1939 M1 1967 M2 1992
LL 1940 N1 1968 N2 1994
M 1941 NN1 1969 NN2 1995
N 1942 O1 1970 O2 1996
NN 1943 P1 1971 P2 1997
O 1944 Q1 1972 Q2 1998
P 1945 R1 1973 R2 1999
Q 1946 S1 1974 S2 2000
R 1947 T1 1975 T2 2001
S 1948 U1 1976 U2 2002
T 1949 V1 1977 V2 2003
U 1950 X1 1978 X2 2004
V 1951 Y1 1979 Y2 2005
X 1952 Z1 1980 Z2 2006
Y 1953 - - - -
Z 1954 - - - -
I have other diagrams of some of the guns I cannot use on the site because of copyright infringement.  These are detailed drawings produced years ago. E-mail me if you would like to talk about it.

I have found a gun labled as a Model I-A on the box, but I can assure you there is no such model and the box is a mis-print. Why this ever got out of the factory is a mystery to everyone.

Data base of serial numbers

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If you would like to contribute your model number, serial number and date code to this data base let me know.  

I am almost always in the market for these guns so if you have something you want to get rid of let me know.  Looking mostly for the model IV, VII, VI, Mexican IIIA and the Ruby 45 even as a parts gun but will consider anything.

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